Please actually LISTEN to what Hillary Clinton says for 6 minutes and 40 seconds.


Please watch this interview with Hillary Clinton. The whole thing is worth watching, but the portion about healthcare policy and the best route forward starts at around 9:20 in and runs less than 7 minutes, to 16:00 (It's supposed to be cued up to exactly 9:20 but you may have to scrub forward to get to it depending on your device).

Please take 6 minutes and 40 seconds out of your day to actually listen to the words which are coming out of her mouth.

UPDATE: Full, verbatim transcript by yours truly:

Andrew Ross Sorkin: “I want to talk to you a little bit about healthcare, because I know it’s an issue that you care about deeply and have thought a lot about.”

Hillary Clinton: “I have.”

Sorkin: “Because we seem to be in a very divided world, not just among two different parties, but even within the Democratic Party. Medicare for All versus a Public Option. You look at what Elizabeth Warren presented last week, and you think...what?”

Clinton: “Here’s what I think. I think that the debate within the Democratic Party is a very healthy try and figure out how to achieve the goal of covering everybody with quality, affordable healthcare. OK.

“My view on this, having worked on worked on it for many years now, is that the Affordable Care Act took us to 90% coverage, the highest we’ve ever gotten in our country, after many, many efforts, including the one I was involved in more than 25 years ago.

“We have a 10% gap to fill...and we have a lot of learning to do about the best way not only to fill the gap, but then to drive down costs as much as it’s possible to do so without undermining quality advancements. OK.

“So I believe the smarter approach is to build on what we have; a public option is something I’ve been in favor of for a very long time. I don’t believe we should be in the midst of a big disruption while we are trying to get to 100% coverage and deal with costs and face some tough issues about competitiveness, and other kinds of innovation in healthcare. And if you look at our major competitors, a lot of them have mixed systems and produce very good outcomes, like Switzerland, Germany, etc.

“If you look at the 2018 election, you even look at the gains that were made by Democrats last night...the people who are saying “I am determined we’re gonna get to universal coverage, we’re going to get it to a point where people can afford it, where premiums are not gonna be skyrocketing, the deductibles are not gonna be overwhelming, etc...and here’s the best way to do it...that is, I believe, the best position politically, and I also think it makes the most sense in terms of solving the problem.”

Sorkin: “Do you think, though, that the plan that you saw last week, that you could get behind it?”

Clinton: “I think that if it were to go to the Senate...that was the point that I was making before, if you had a President who pushed to present it...I would be very much in favor of whatever the debate was, and...”

Sorkin: “But you don’t think that plan would ever enacted?”

Clinton: “No. I don’t. I don’t...but the goal...the goal is the right goal. I mean the goal is absolutely...and I mean, compare where we are, as the Democratic Party, engaged in a debate about the best way to achieve this goal...with a Republican Party that tried to repeal the Affordable Care Act with nothing ever introduced to replace it, and not only that, but is in court right now to strike the entire law down!

“So, it could be, unless the judges who are hearing this case decide to hold off for a could be that in the midst of this election, you will get a decision, sought by the Republican Party, led by Republican Attorneys General, from a number of states, to completely declare the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. And if that happens, then it will be the absolute most stark comparison between the Republican Party that never produced a bill in Congress to replace what they were trying to repeal and has stood behind an effort to eliminate it altogether...and there goes healthcare for millions of Americans, and it is striking to me that, yeah, we’re having a debate on our side of the political ledger...but it’s a debate about the right issue: How do we get to healthcare coverage for everybody that we can afford?”

Sorkin: “Will you support whoever the candidate is on the Democratic side?”

Clinton: “Yeah! Sure!”

Sorkin: “100%?”

Clinton: “Yeah. I think I know who they’re likely to be. (laughs) ...but I’m not gonna go there.”

“Look...I think we have to measure the risk to the country. And it won’t surprise you to hear me say I think another term of our current administration would be deeply damaging to our economy, to our society, to our standing in the world, whatever metric you want to choose...and therefore we have to retire the incumbent.”

Sorkin: “I want to get back to this idea of firing up the base...versus electability in a broader election.”

Clinton: “Look...that’s what happens in elections. Let’s go back to 2008. So, when I started running in 2008, there were about 10 candidates...9 or 10. It got down to Barack Obama and me. There’s no reason anyone here would remember but one of our biggest points of difference was whether or not healthcare reform, to be successful, would require an individual mandate. We had a knock-down, drag-out fight in debates...he would send out mailers saying that I was for an individual mandate...he said you could get to a system of coverage without it...we were at loggerheads.

So, you know, he wins, he becomes President, introduces a bill...and it has an individual mandate. I mean, that happens in campaigns. So you have to look at the larger question. The details will be litigated the campaign, maybe even in court, but certainly in the Congress, if somebody is successful and elected. And I think it’s important to say, what are the overall goals, and how realistic is it that we can achieve the overall goals if we go down Path A compared to Path B. And I think the Affordable Care Act approach is the more likely approach to be successful.”

Then take another look at this table:

I've said this many times before and will say it many times again in the future:

  • ALL of the Democratic candidates, as well as the rest of the Democratic members of the House and Senate, want to vastly expand healthcare coverage and make it more comprehensive while lowering the cost paid by enrollees...while Donald Trump is doing everything he can to reduce coverage, making it less comprehensive and increasing out of pocket costs.
  • NONE of the plans being put forward by ANY of the candidates is going to end up being passed exactly as they're currently describing...and that's not necessarily a bad thing. The (theoretical) final Big Healthcare Reform Bill will almost certainly end up being some hybrid/mish-mash version of the above, taking elements of each...along with bits of other bills floating around. And whatever it ends up being, it will be a substantial improvement over the status quo for tens of millions of people.